Comments on: The Bird-Dirk Advanced Stat-off http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: hair salon http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486&cpage=5#comment-53750 Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:40:37 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486#comment-53750 This was fairly hard to find there was lots of crap entries on this I'm excited I finally stumbledupon a entry worthy of being under this search. Great stuff bookmarked because I've a feeling several posts on your site will benefit other questions I have quicker then looking bing.

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By: Murph http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486&cpage=5#comment-49699 Thu, 26 May 2011 18:51:48 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486#comment-49699 KH, I don't think you can measure how much easier it is to be a wizard like passer when you're surrounded by future Hall of Famers. It definitely makes it easier.

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By: KH http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486&cpage=5#comment-49696 Thu, 26 May 2011 16:59:39 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486#comment-49696 My personal feeling is there is not all that much seperating the 10-20 players ever so its not really suprising to me that Nowitzki stands up well in comparison to Bird and maybe even grades out slightly better just looking at pure scoring. That being said having watched both of them play extensively Bird's rates a solid edge based on his wizardlike passing ability in my opinion. I really don't think you can quantify perfectly how much a passer of Bird's level adds to a offense. I know its a cliche but there are things like hockey assists in basketball. Great passes that lead to other people getting an assist. Bird had to have many of those. Bird was also a better defender then Nowitzki. Fun discussion, and makes me appreciate Dirk even more, but I'm sticking with Larry Legend.

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By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486&cpage=5#comment-49682 Thu, 26 May 2011 11:33:07 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486#comment-49682 Dirk was 60/ 62 from the free throw line in the series. Wow.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486&cpage=5#comment-49680 Thu, 26 May 2011 11:15:35 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486#comment-49680 Why is it pitiful? Because you're so mad you can't control yourself enough to stay on subject?

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By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486&cpage=5#comment-49678 Thu, 26 May 2011 11:09:08 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486#comment-49678 @ 218---I know you think they're 'really dumb'. I think your scope of discussion is really limited. And your irritibility when someone ventures outside your limited scope is unnecessary, IMO.

Out of respect for everyone else here, I'm not going to continue this pitiful discussion with you. It doesn't do the board any good.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486&cpage=5#comment-49677 Thu, 26 May 2011 10:42:32 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486#comment-49677 Why don't you stick to the subject in this discussion? My comments are about your views/ideas and I think they are really dumb. You take it way too personal.

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By: Sean http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486&cpage=5#comment-49665 Thu, 26 May 2011 02:49:06 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486#comment-49665 @ #215...

You are so irritable. Why? Because some people choose to discuss things that you cannot quantify to your liking? You're like a child throwing a tantrum when people want to discuss something that is not on your 'list'. The 'subjective nonsense' that you loathe exists nonetheless. You seem like you just want to pretend it doesn't exist because current advanced metrics do not account for certain things completely. They still exist... I honestly don't know why you behave so poorly when somebody talks about it/ them.

It's childish to call things that you don't like 'nonsense' and 'stupid'.

I assume you're young---because no grown man acts like this... but I don't think you're 3, either.

Your behavior is ridiculous.

I don't CARE what you don't want others to talk about. You seem to have a dysfunctionately inflated sense or self-worth. And you have a totally distorted sense of how much you know about what anybody else thinks about something. And I'm not buying.

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By: Anon http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486&cpage=5#comment-49662 Wed, 25 May 2011 23:38:23 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486#comment-49662 Good write up Murph.

Let's not act as if all Dirk does is score either. He rebounds similar to Bird, and while you're not going to mistake as some shut-down defender he's not useless on that end either (look at the RAPM numbers for Dirk). He's an all-around player and not merely a scorer.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486&cpage=5#comment-49657 Wed, 25 May 2011 18:15:30 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9486#comment-49657 #207

You're having reading comprehension problems.

I said the Lakers completely destroy every stupid offensive theory you have thrown out here. Your ideas are subjective nonsense, and they are a perfect example of why. This isn't just about defense.

I don't care that you think defense "matters", you have decided to ignore the reason a majority of these teams struggle.

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